Comments on: My Sasieni Pipe Article http://murderofravens.org De profundis clamo ad te... Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:16:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Bren http://murderofravens.org/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3826 Bren Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:44:22 +0000 http://murderofravens.wordpress.com/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3826 Steve, Your website article is full of knowledge, thanks for your time and effort. I have a pipe that has some info on it that I couldn't find after all the reading of your website. I am wondering if you might help me here. It is a full curve bend pipe (reminds me of the shape Sherlock Holmes had) and it has 4 beige dots on the stem in a triangle shape. It appears that the top and bottom dot is a bit smaller than the left and right dot but it could be my eyes! On the bottom of the pipe it is stamped: Sasieni and underneath that it says: FOUR DOT and under that it says: London Made and under that it has a Pat.No 150221/20 and under that is what confused me, it says something like "OOMPAUL" could that be correct or do you think some letters are missing? And if not, what does this mean? Then to the left side of all this writting is England (stamped in a bowl shaped curve). I tried my hardest to find something about this "oompaul" without bothering you but I had no luck in finding anything with those letters in them. Any help will do, thanks, Bren <strong><em>"Oom-Paul" refers to the shape of the pipe. It was named for Oom Paul Kruger, who was famous for smoking this shape pipe. It's hard to be specific without seeing the pipe, but the presence of a patent number tells me that the pipe could not have been made later than the 1940's, and possibly earlier. Hope this helps! Feel free to contact me if you have any more questions. Pictures are always helpful. </em></strong> Steve, Your website article is full of knowledge, thanks for your time and effort. I have a pipe that has some info on it that I couldn’t find after all the reading of your website. I am wondering if you might help me here. It is a full curve bend pipe (reminds me of the shape Sherlock Holmes had) and it has 4 beige dots on the stem in a triangle shape. It appears that the top and bottom dot is a bit smaller than the left and right dot but it could be my eyes! On the bottom of the pipe it is stamped: Sasieni and underneath that it says: FOUR DOT and under that it says: London Made and under that it has a Pat.No 150221/20 and under that is what confused me, it says something like “OOMPAUL” could that be correct or do you think some letters are missing? And if not, what does this mean? Then to the left side of all this writting is England (stamped in a bowl shaped curve). I tried my hardest to find something about this “oompaul” without bothering you but I had no luck in finding anything with those letters in them. Any help will do, thanks, Bren

“Oom-Paul” refers to the shape of the pipe. It was named for Oom Paul Kruger, who was famous for smoking this shape pipe.

It’s hard to be specific without seeing the pipe, but the presence of a patent number tells me that the pipe could not have been made later than the 1940’s, and possibly earlier.

Hope this helps! Feel free to contact me if you have any more questions. Pictures are always helpful.

]]> By: Hugo http://murderofravens.org/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3825 Hugo Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:16:09 +0000 http://murderofravens.wordpress.com/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3825 Hi Stephen i have 4 unsmoked 1 dots that i would like to get your oppinion on <strong><em>Email sent. Hi Stephen
i have 4 unsmoked 1 dots that i would like to get your oppinion on

Email sent.

]]> By: Todd Litten http://murderofravens.org/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3728 Todd Litten Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:04:22 +0000 http://murderofravens.wordpress.com/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3728 Greeting, As a new smoker (at least new to pipes)I am constantly searching for pieces to add to my small, yet rapidly growing collection. After reading your essay (very nicely done by the way) I am now convinced that it would not be any kind of collection at all without a nice old Family Era Sasieni. I have found a "Sasieni" that I am considering for purchase, but am a little concerned about its authenticity (at least as a first rate Sasieni as opposed to a "second"). Below is a description of the marking stamped on the shank of the pipe... "On the bottom of the shank is stamped COVENTRY over BY SASIENI next to shape number 62 next to MADE IN ENGLAND. On the stem is a readable though very light S stem mark. All stampings are crisp, a testament to the gentle handling of this distinctly vintage pipe." ... if you could please offer any advice to a new pipe smoker about the true identity of this pipe, I would very much appreciate it. Regards, Todd Litten <strong><em>Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I haven't been doing much blogging lately due to personal reasons. Your pipe is a second. I honestly don't know a lot about the "Coventry", but I do know that Sasieni was not shy about producing seconds. There are many second lines, and I'm sure I have yet to find them all. They are not as valuable as the Four Dot, for obvious reasons, but are often great pipes if you can get them at a reasonable (i. e. less than $100) price. Some people just see the Sasieni name and put on a high price tag. Sounds like a nice pipe though. I hope you ended up getting it.</em></strong> Greeting,

As a new smoker (at least new to pipes)I am constantly searching for pieces to add to my small, yet rapidly growing collection. After reading your essay (very nicely done by the way) I am now convinced that it would not be any kind of collection at all without a nice old Family Era Sasieni. I have found a “Sasieni” that I am considering for purchase, but am a little concerned about its authenticity (at least as a first rate Sasieni as opposed to a “second”). Below is a description of the marking stamped on the shank of the pipe…

“On the bottom of the shank is stamped COVENTRY over BY SASIENI next to shape number 62 next to MADE IN ENGLAND. On the stem is a readable though very light S stem mark. All stampings are crisp, a testament to the gentle handling of this distinctly vintage pipe.”

… if you could please offer any advice to a new pipe smoker about the true identity of this pipe, I would very much appreciate it.

Regards,

Todd Litten

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I haven’t been doing much blogging lately due to personal reasons.

Your pipe is a second. I honestly don’t know a lot about the “Coventry”, but I do know that Sasieni was not shy about producing seconds. There are many second lines, and I’m sure I have yet to find them all. They are not as valuable as the Four Dot, for obvious reasons, but are often great pipes if you can get them at a reasonable (i. e. less than $100) price. Some people just see the Sasieni name and put on a high price tag.

Sounds like a nice pipe though. I hope you ended up getting it.

]]> By: Jesse Silver http://murderofravens.org/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3525 Jesse Silver Fri, 30 May 2008 09:51:47 +0000 http://murderofravens.wordpress.com/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3525 Hello Stephen, Great article! I'm hoping that you can help me with dating a Sasieni that I just purchased. I know that it's pre-WWII, but I'm wondering if you have any information regarding hallmarks that can help me date it more precisely. <strong><em>The best place to go for UK hallmarks is the Pipe Club of London site: <a href="http://www.pcol.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcol.co.uk/</a>. </em></strong> What I have is a rusticated (spectacular symmetrical sandblast) 8 dot, model #35 with a patent # that reads as 1513428. All markings are crisp. It has a military bit. The sterling cap has the letters JS enclosed in a circle, and three hallmarks in a row: the letter "F", a lion rampant, and what could be a shield. <strong><em>Hallmarks are not really my strong suit, and obviously it helps to see the pipe. Furthermore, hallmarks really only date the silver, not necessarily the pipe. From what you're telling me the hallmark is either from 1923 or 1948. My guess is the cap was added in '48 after the pipe was made, but obviously I could be wrong.</em></strong> The pipe is going to need a restoration. The "bones" are good, but it needs a thorough cleaning and the silver cap has split where it was soldered and will need to be mended. Any suggestions regarding a restorer will also be appreciated. <em><strong>Were it not for the silver work, I could probably do it for you. I'm the person who restores estate pipes at the smoke shop where I work. New silver work is a different matter. I suggestyou go to www.pipes.org and have a look around. Sorry I can't be more help on that one. Thanks for stopping by. Feel free to email me if I can help you any further.</strong></em> thanks, Jesse Silver Hello Stephen,

Great article! I’m hoping that you can help me with dating a Sasieni that I just purchased. I know that it’s pre-WWII, but I’m wondering if you have any information regarding hallmarks that can help me date it more precisely.

The best place to go for UK hallmarks is the Pipe Club of London site: http://www.pcol.co.uk/.

What I have is a rusticated (spectacular symmetrical sandblast) 8 dot, model #35 with a patent # that reads as 1513428. All markings are crisp. It has a military bit. The sterling cap has the letters JS enclosed in a circle, and three hallmarks in a row: the letter “F”, a lion rampant, and what could be a shield.

Hallmarks are not really my strong suit, and obviously it helps to see the pipe. Furthermore, hallmarks really only date the silver, not necessarily the pipe. From what you’re telling me the hallmark is either from 1923 or 1948. My guess is the cap was added in ‘48 after the pipe was made, but obviously I could be wrong.

The pipe is going to need a restoration. The “bones” are good, but it needs a thorough cleaning and the silver cap has split where it was soldered and will need to be mended. Any suggestions regarding a restorer will also be appreciated.

Were it not for the silver work, I could probably do it for you. I’m the person who restores estate pipes at the smoke shop where I work. New silver work is a different matter. I suggestyou go to http://www.pipes.org and have a look around. Sorry I can’t be more help on that one.

Thanks for stopping by. Feel free to email me if I can help you any further.

thanks,

Jesse Silver

]]> By: rey de rivera http://murderofravens.org/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3394 rey de rivera Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:33:58 +0000 http://murderofravens.wordpress.com/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3394 hi sir, i am selling an 8 dot sasieni in my ebay auction Item number: 370038082280 i would like to ask permission from you. if i could use full or partial excerpts of your blog. thank you and have a good day. best regards...Rey de Rivera <strong>I have no problem with you quoting from my blog as long as you give me proper attribution (i.e. my name and the name of this blog), and you do not use my work for any deceptive or misleading purposes (I'm sure you wouldn't anyway, but I have to put that in there). Apart from that feel free to quote me. Thanks for visiting my blog! -sps</strong><em> hi sir,

i am selling an 8 dot sasieni in my ebay auction Item number: 370038082280
i would like to ask permission from you. if i could use full or partial excerpts of your blog.
thank you and have a good day.

best regards…Rey de Rivera

I have no problem with you quoting from my blog as long as you give me proper attribution (i.e. my name and the name of this blog), and you do not use my work for any deceptive or misleading purposes (I’m sure you wouldn’t anyway, but I have to put that in there). Apart from that feel free to quote me. Thanks for visiting my blog!

-sps

]]> By: Todd Platek http://murderofravens.org/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3387 Todd Platek Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:09:36 +0000 http://murderofravens.wordpress.com/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3387 Fascinating article for me, a 2d generation pipesmoker who only recently got seriously into collecting. Thanks! Despite their newness, are Sasieni pipes of the current, post-transition period, good smokers and still made of high-quality briar? Todd <strong>Hi, Todd! The currently made Sasieni pipes are decent enough pipes, good wood for the money, although they usually have putty fills, which you never saw in the family pieces. In fact, it was my desire to be able to discern the family era pieces from the later ones that started the research which eventually led to this essay. Thanks for stopping by! -sps</strong><em> Fascinating article for me, a 2d generation pipesmoker who only recently got seriously into collecting. Thanks! Despite their newness, are Sasieni pipes of the current, post-transition period, good smokers and still made of high-quality briar? Todd

Hi, Todd!

The currently made Sasieni pipes are decent enough pipes, good wood for the money, although they usually have putty fills, which you never saw in the family pieces. In fact, it was my desire to be able to discern the family era pieces from the later ones that started the research which eventually led to this essay.

Thanks for stopping by!

-sps

]]> By: Robert Donnelly http://murderofravens.org/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3300 Robert Donnelly Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:18:49 +0000 http://murderofravens.wordpress.com/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3300 Steve, I have been collecting and smoking pipes for some 34 years now with my main interest being early family era Sasieni's, and specifically rustics. Although my collection isn't large by some standards I like to think it does have some nice pieces. I can't tell you how informative your article was to me and since that time I have been putting together my own personal Sasieni history page based on your excellent article with whatever additional facts I have been able to find i.e, additional stampings, initials, finishes, seconds(which now number 45).I would greatly appreciate it if you could take the time and look over what I have and make any comments. If you could please send me an email in reply to this I can then send you my history. Best Regards, Robert <strong><em>email on the way! Steve,

I have been collecting and smoking pipes for some 34 years now with my main interest being early family era Sasieni’s, and specifically rustics. Although my collection isn’t large by some standards I like to think it does have some nice pieces. I can’t tell you how informative your article was to me and since that time I have been putting together my own personal Sasieni history page based on your excellent article with whatever additional facts I have been able to find i.e, additional stampings, initials, finishes, seconds(which now number 45).I would greatly appreciate it if you could take the time and look over what I have and make any comments. If you could please send me an email in reply to this I can then send you my history.

Best Regards,
Robert

email on the way!

]]> By: Anthony Goodman http://murderofravens.org/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3292 Anthony Goodman Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:51:49 +0000 http://murderofravens.wordpress.com/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3292 Joel Sasieni was my great-grandfather. The confusion about his name might come from a Jewish family tradition that each child had a Hebrew/biblical first name and an Anglicized middle name which they were usually known by. So Joseph Joel Sasieni was the father of Abraham Alfred Sasieni (my grandfather). <strong>Anthony, it's a pleasure to make your acquaintance! Thank you for stopping by!</strong><em> Joel Sasieni was my great-grandfather. The confusion about his name might come from a Jewish family tradition that each child had a Hebrew/biblical first name and an Anglicized middle name which they were usually known by. So Joseph Joel Sasieni was the father of Abraham Alfred Sasieni (my grandfather).

Anthony, it’s a pleasure to make your acquaintance! Thank you for stopping by!

]]> By: Dr. Michael Gardner http://murderofravens.org/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3277 Dr. Michael Gardner Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:16:55 +0000 http://murderofravens.wordpress.com/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3277 Hi Steve, I need help and can send you pics if they will help. I have a very large straight grain Sasieni Freehand plateau on top of the bowl and end of shank. Shank is stamped very clearly as follows: Sasieni (in script) Four Dot Natural 118 A LONDON MADE The other side of the shank has: MADE IN ENGLAND in sort of a football shape When I got it, it had a poorly made replacement stem, sort of freehand style. Do you know when the pipe might have been made? Have you ever seen one? What would the original stem have looked like? Dr. Michael Gardner Wichita, KS <blockquote><strong>Michael, Your pipe was made sometime between 1979-1986. Alfred Sasieni sold the company in 1979, but remained on the board of directors. During this time, the pipes were still very high quality, although they are not as collectible as the family made pieces. But it's still a very nice pipe. As far as the stem goes, I really can't say, although I suspect that the original stem was not remarkably different from the one that's on the pipe now. Hope this helps. Hi Steve,

I need help and can send you pics if they will help. I have a very large straight grain Sasieni Freehand plateau on top of the bowl and end of shank.

Shank is stamped very clearly as follows:

Sasieni (in script)
Four Dot Natural
118 A LONDON MADE

The other side of the shank has:
MADE IN
ENGLAND in sort of a football shape

When I got it, it had a poorly made replacement stem, sort of freehand style.

Do you know when the pipe might have been made?
Have you ever seen one?
What would the original stem have looked like?

Dr. Michael Gardner
Wichita, KS

Michael,

Your pipe was made sometime between 1979-1986. Alfred Sasieni sold the company in 1979, but remained on the board of directors. During this time, the pipes were still very high quality, although they are not as collectible as the family made pieces. But it’s still a very nice pipe.

As far as the stem goes, I really can’t say, although I suspect that the original stem was not remarkably different from the one that’s on the pipe now.

Hope this helps.

]]> By: Mary Reynolds http://murderofravens.org/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3252 Mary Reynolds Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:11:57 +0000 http://murderofravens.wordpress.com/my-sasieni-pipe-article/#comment-3252 I have been given a box of pipes that were my father's. I decided to list them on EBAY as vintage since all of them were well smoked. I was going to group them all together but one was a Meershaum so that made me start reading the pipes. I found your article by searching for the Sasieni. I read your entire article. So very interesting. My father's pipe does not fit the descriptions, of course!!! I feel the stem was replaced even though it looks like it belongs to this pipe and looks to be the same age as the bowl. It has no dots. The markings simply state on left-side Sashar (fancy lettering) directly under it states in tiny letters all caps SASIENI MADE. On the right-side it states top line Made in and directly below England then to the right close to the close to the bowl it has 148 or possibly 14B. If there was anything else on the pipe, it was worn off as Dad must have loved this pipe. It was really smoked. The wood looks tiger stripped. Before I sell this, I wanted to make sure it wasn't a fake. I truly hate parting with any of his pipes but no one in my family smokes or would appreciate their value. Thank you for your help. <blockquote><strong>Hi, Mary! Thank you for stopping by! I've sent you an email. It appears that your Sasieni is one of the many "second lines" that Sasieni produced in those days. I have to admit that I was hitherto unfamiliar with the "Sashar", but that just goes to show that there's always something new to learn with this hobby. -sps I have been given a box of pipes that were my father’s. I decided to list them on EBAY as vintage since all of them were well smoked. I was going to group them all together but one was a Meershaum so that made me start reading the pipes.

I found your article by searching for the Sasieni. I read your entire article. So very interesting. My father’s pipe does not fit the descriptions, of course!!! I feel the stem was replaced even though it looks like it belongs to this pipe and looks to be the same age as the bowl. It has no dots. The markings simply state on left-side Sashar (fancy lettering) directly under it states in tiny letters all caps SASIENI MADE. On the right-side it states top line Made in and directly below England then to the right close to the close to the bowl it has 148 or possibly 14B. If there was anything else on the pipe, it was worn off as Dad must have loved this pipe. It was really smoked. The wood looks tiger stripped. Before I sell this, I wanted to make sure it wasn’t a fake. I truly hate parting with any of his pipes but no one in my family smokes or would appreciate their value. Thank you for your help.

Hi, Mary! Thank you for stopping by! I’ve sent you an email.

It appears that your Sasieni is one of the many “second lines” that Sasieni produced in those days. I have to admit that I was hitherto unfamiliar with the “Sashar”, but that just goes to show that there’s always something new to learn with this hobby.

-sps

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